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tjukurpa
tjukurpa
Thanks for your warm welcome
Sep 17 2006, 4:38 AM EDT
I breed and research the Koolie breed and am a member of the Koolie club of Australia, the Koolie parent club acknowledge by the Australian National Kennel Council.
I look forward to adding first hand Koolie information, just trying to locate original person who set up the page, there are a couple of misleading items that need to be adjusted.
Could you possible point we in the right direction?
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DoggyGal
DoggyGal
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Sep 17 2006, 5:51 AM EDT
Awesome! A new wikiFido Koolie expert on board! We would be so pleased if you could share your expertise with us about these great dogs. Our platform is constructed as a community platform, so that over time, the information will keep improving as more and more experts (like yourself) in the area will contribute what they can. I believe a few people have added bits and pieces to the Koolie page, but by all means, if you can provide more comprehensive, accurate information, feel free to click EasyEdit on the page and revise away! This would be enormously helpful to others down the road who seek information on the dog! This is true for any page on the site--if you are able to supplement info that is already there, are adjust it to make it more accurate, that would be greatly appreciated by our community. Thanks for your help and hope to hear more from you soon! 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
tjukurpa
tjukurpa
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Sep 17 2006, 9:46 AM EDT
II wouldn't go so far as to claim I have an expertise.
I rely on the opportunity of my travels around Australia meeting Koolie owners and breeders who are the true experts and just record their histories.
Living in Australia offers me access to the Koolie past in a way that can not be access from anywhere else but here.
Most of what you find on the Internet, at least the original information came from myself and other members of the Koolie Club of Australia.
Along the way our membership has grown to include German members, who have been instrumental in the understanding of the German Tigers influence upon the foundation of the Koolie breed, first named the Germans Collie as this breed was mistaken for by Australian Graziers at that time.
We have discovered that rural Germans can and did mispronounce the word Collie to sound like Koolie and so the name evolved into the German Coolie.
When the breeds name was referred to in print it was spelt with a C, due to the earlier reference to this breed being a Collie.
The general public, not readily knowing the Koolie breed confusingly believed that either the word Coolie was a typo for Collie or that the breed was German due to the German reference.
In 2000 when the Koolie Club of Australia was formed, to attend to the legal expectations in running a breed club and to clarify that this breed was Australian and not to have it confused with Collies they adopted the name Australian Koolie. But our members sum it up beautifully “We don't write the name we just say it”.
No matter how anyone chooses to write the name, a Koolie is an Australian breed and we are very proud to have them as our working breed of choice.
So if it is possibly could the heading be changed to Australian Koolie, followed in smaller print by it's breeds past names so no more confusion can occur, that would be a great start. I understand there are other factions who use other spelling but we are the only club acknowledge as I explained earlier by the ANKC.
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DoggyGal
DoggyGal
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Sep 18 2006, 2:49 AM EDT
I think from your experience and research, you seem to have a pretty impressive knowledge of the breed, so I definitely think that you count as an expert! ;) Very interesting background that you've provided...I went ahead and renamed all the pages to "Koolie" as opposed to "Coolie" to reflect your information. I'm hoping that you'll be able to edit the page text so that it more accurately reflects the research that you've done. By all means, if you can provide more accurate or more detailed information, feel free to make the changes so that we can all benefit from your experience. I read your comments on Puppylove's page, and you should handle the content and discrepancies according to your best judgment. A reference link is supplied to the original info, to help you track where the info originated from, but if your information and support is a more accurate representation of current knowledge, by al means, it should be presented! I would leave this to your best judgment on how to best handle the content and the discrepancies.

If you click EasyEdit, you can easily edit the content at any time. If you need any other help, please just let me know and I'm here! (Edits can also easily be undone, so no need to worry about that!) Thanks so much! Really, the wonderful thing about wikiFido is that all users gain from the collective knowledge of the community--here, an example at it's best!
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 1:28 PM EDT
"Awesome! A new wikiFido Koolie expert on board! We would be so pleased if you could share your expertise with us about these great dogs. Our platform is constructed as a community platform, so that over time, the information will keep improving as more and more experts (like yourself) in the area will contribute what they can. I believe a few people have added bits and pieces to the Koolie page, but by all means, if you can provide more comprehensive, accurate information, feel free to click EasyEdit on the page and revise away! This would be enormously helpful to others down the road who seek information on the dog! This is true for any page on the site--if you are able to supplement info that is already there, are adjust it to make it more accurate, that would be greatly appreciated by our community. Thanks for your help and hope to hear more from you soon! "
DoggyGal,
It would be in the best interest of the German Coolie breed if you were to view what other Coolie breeders are saying about the breed. Please do not base this entire breed on what one person is saying, as this person does not speak for the entire country of Australia, nor does she speak for America.

Please look at these websites and contact these Coolie breeders/researchers, for there are MANY Coolie breeders that have much more viable information than this one person. If you want factual information, from people that have been breeding the "trueauthentic" German Coolie, please contact the people that I have listed. Please do not take the word of someone whose "foundation" dogs were dogs that were obtained from pounds/rescues/and off the street.

Toolalla Coolies http://www.toolallakoolies.com/
BorahView (email) borahview@bigpond.net.au
Coolibah - http://coolibahkoolies.tripod.com/index.html
German Coolie Registry (America) - http://www.coolieregistry.com
Australian Coolie Council (Australia) - http://www.cooliecouncil.org.au/
German Coolie Club of America - http://germancoolieclub.org/

Thanks
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 1:50 PM EDT
"I breed and research the Koolie breed and am a member of the Koolie club of Australia, the Koolie parent club acknowledge by the Australian National Kennel Council.
I look forward to adding first hand Koolie information, just trying to locate original person who set up the page, there are a couple of misleading items that need to be adjusted.
Could you possible point we in the right direction?
"
Hi, I am trying to find where the Koolie Club of Australia is listed on the ANKC site; I've looked at the breed clubs listed and the Koolie Club of Australia is not listed. http://www.ankc.aust.com/nbc.html

Maybe you could point the readers in the right direction so that verification that the ANKC does acknowledge the Koolie Club of Australia can be made. Thanks
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DoggyGal
DoggyGal
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 3:12 PM EDT
I totally agree with you...the more people that we get with knowledge contributing to the site, the better off we all will be. All are invited and encouraged to participate to add, edit and contribute in any way possible so that the resulting collective knowledge will be the most accurate and complete info out there. It would be wonderful if other Coolie/Koolie people out there would review the information and present their information. And by all means, if there is conflicting knowledge or research out there, let's present all sides in the spirit of completeness and objectivity... ;) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 6:04 PM EDT
DoggyGal,
Several people have said they contributed proven and factual information to the site, but it was deleted.
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 6:31 PM EDT
Hi, this sentence needs to be deleted as this is NOT true with MOST of the Coolies that I've seen, owned or researched. I tried to edit, but it wouldn't let me.

"Feeding should be kept simple, a good quality dry kibble, no can food and the occasional meaty bone for strong teeth and gums. Chicken wings for pups and mothers to be are terrific, be sure to feed raw.
Koolies will not tolerate a lot of additives, preservatives and cereals and if given too much can produce skin allergies"
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 6:46 PM EDT
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Most of what you find on the Internet, at least the original information came from myself and other members of the Koolie Club of Australia.
"
You are taking credit for something that is absolutely not correct. There are several breeders of the German Coolie that educated you, Kerrie Challenger, on history of the Coolie that you did not know. The research done by Linda Rorem, Iris McCombe and Pat Hutchinson was NOT obtained FROM YOU. YOU copied their information, as well as research from other people!
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DoggyGal
DoggyGal
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 7:07 PM EDT
Per your comment, I deleted this statement...what type of trouble are you having trying to edit? Are you able to edit any of the other pages? What browser are you using? Do you find this valuable?    
DoggyGal
DoggyGal
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 7:11 PM EDT
I don't see any real deletions in the page history... Or for that matter, there haven't been too many additions since the page origin either. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, there is a tiny link to "complete history". If you click on this, you'll see the log of what's been there, and by clicking on each version, you can tell what was added etc...

Anyhow, this is all part of the self-evolving nature of a wiki platform...As more and more users log on and edit, it should evolve into the most accurate, complete information there is...but of course, this takes some time, and takes many knowledgeable users to contribute...
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 3 2006, 11:07 PM EDT
"I went ahead and renamed all the pages to "Koolie" as opposed to "Coolie" to reflect your information. "
DoggyGal,
We respectfully request that you change back the spelling of the name to German Coolie, as this site was originally for the German Coolie, and not for the Australian Koolie. The dogs that Kerrie Challenger/Tjukurpa Kennels are calling Australian Koolies, are not German Coolies, because her foundation dogs were, through her own admittance, obtained from pounds, shelters and found on the street. She has NO idea as to what breed(s) these dogs actually were. They were merle in color, so she called them Australian Koolies. The dogs that we were and are referring to in the original composition of this site are German Coolies, those dogs that breeders/owners still call German Coolies NOT Australian Koolie. We, German Coolie breeders/owners, respectively request you return the name back to German Coolie and request that Ms. Challenger open her own page on the Australian Koolie.
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 4 2006, 12:54 AM EDT
Sorry to burst your belief, all our bloodlines have been DNA tested the original male foundation of one of our bloodlines who has also been tested was given to us by a person who years later after becoming disgruntled claimed that she got him from a pound.
This was a maliciouse and failed attempt to bring disrepute against the Australian Koolie breed and Tjukurpa Kennels.
As you seem to be attempting to do again here.
With no proof you lay unproven allegations at my door.
The fact is that it is against the law to allow an animal from any pound in Australia to be re-homed unless first desexed and micro-chipped, if this person did indeed obtained the dog illegally, she did it without our knowledge and she would face stern charges.
Did our foundation Koolie have any history, no as many breeders across Australia will willing and honestly reply, did he have ability and meet the criteria we have come to know as the Koolie yes! and his five generations of progeny bare witness to his genetic potency as a sire as they have continued to be excellent workers of Stock, Service, Sport and Companion.
You may gather I am very proud of the current status of our generation bred Koolies and of their ancestors. We have nothing to hide and nothing to prove.
Which is why we DNA all our bloodlines and wait patiently for the secrets to reveal themselves.
Please do not expect any further comments from me regarding this.
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 4 2006, 1:59 AM EDT
It is through your own admittance that you obtained your foundation dogs from rescues and dogs that were found on the street. Sam, your foundation dog, came from the Hay pound. The "many" Coolie breeders that I've spoken to and know in Australia DO have lineage on their dogs, and DO know generations for many years. There is a huge difference between a dog that chases livestock and one that actually works livestock. Please provide references on those dogs, that you've bred, that have successfully completed their Service certification, or is a winning trial dog. That would shut many people up. 7  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    

Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 4 2006, 3:33 AM EDT
"I breed and research the Koolie breed and am a member of the Koolie club of Australia, the Koolie parent club acknowledge by the Australian National Kennel Council.
"
How long have you been breeding these dogs and how far back does the records of lineage go for Tjupurka Koolies?

In what way does the Australian National Kennel Council acknowledge the Koolie Club as I can find no reference to the KCA on their website.
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DoggyGal
DoggyGal
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 4 2006, 11:58 AM EDT
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We respectfully request that you change back the spelling of the name to German Coolie, as this site was originally for the German Coolie, and not for the Australian Koolie. "
Thanks for your note... I'm happy to try to reach some sort of agreeable conclusion to all concerned and I completely understand that there may be differences in research and opinions by different groups. In the interest of presenting all sides, if we link both names back down to one page, where it can then be subdivided down to two separate pages, each presenting the different angles, would that be an acceptable way of handling this? You could each then handle your own content... Other suggestions welcome also!

(I'll post this on the other thread also, to make sure that both groups get the message...)
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 5 2006, 1:14 AM EDT
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The fact is that it is against the law to allow an animal from any pound in Australia to be re-homed unless first desexed "
This is absolute hogwash! Which brings into question the credibility of any of the other "facts" that tjupurka has presented on this site and others.

There is NO LAW in Australia making sterilisation mandatory.
It is the individual policy of each welfare organisation as to whether they desex dogs before re-homing or not.
There is NOTHING in the NSW Companion Animal Act that states desexing before re-homing is compulsory, whether it be from an organisation or an individual.
There are in fact, some animal shelters who DO sell/re-home UNDESEXED dogs.

Please state the ACT under which you are siting this supposed "law".

In addition, it is compulsory for all animals sold or transferred to be microchipped in NSW ONLY. NOT other states in Australia (NSW Companion Animals Act 1998 Sect. 8).
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Anonymous
RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 5 2006, 1:19 AM EDT
"How long have you been breeding these dogs and how far back does the records of lineage go for Tjupurka Koolies?

In what way does the Australian National Kennel Council acknowledge the Koolie Club as I can find no reference to the KCA on their website."
How long have you been breeding these dogs and how far back does the records of lineage go for Tjupurka Koolies?

In what way does the Australian National Kennel Council acknowledge the Koolie Club as I can find no reference to the KCA on their website.
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DoggyGal
DoggyGal
Need Help with Koolie / Coolie pages
Oct 5 2006, 12:28 PM EDT
"Thanks for your note... I'm happy to try to reach some sort of agreeable conclusion to all concerned and I completely understand that there may be differences in research and opinions by different groups. In the interest of presenting all sides, if we link both names back down to one page, where it can then be subdivided down to two separate pages, each presenting the different angles, would that be an acceptable way of handling this? You could each then handle your own content... Other suggestions welcome also!

(I'll post this on the other thread also, to make sure that both groups get the message...) "
I'm working on this request... I've added some new pages called Australian Koolie. The originals are still called German Koolie. Can you help me with the names that you'd like reflected? Then I'll add a main page that both names in the directory will go to where there can be info on the two directions can be added (I'll of course, also need some help here...) But for now, could you confirm the correct names? Would one page for Australian Koolie and one page for German Coolie be acceptable?
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