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Anonymous
20. RE: Need Help with Koolie / Coolie pages
Oct 5 2006, 1:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2006, 1:49 PM EDT
"But for now, could you confirm the correct names? Would one page for Australian Koolie and one page for German Coolie be acceptable?"
Yes --- German Coolie for the German Coolie breeders. Thank you very much.
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Anonymous
21. Just for verification
Oct 5 2006, 1:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2006, 1:52 PM EDT
Tjukurpa says: I say 1825 as this was the date that German author Von Stephan used in his book the German Shepherd in word and picture, he refers to his personal visit to Australia in that year and his delightful discovery of the exportation of herding breeds from Germany to Australia by Graziers, the blue merle Tiger amongst them. He even wrote that this breed was locally referred to as the Germans Collie.

This is what was found: Since he was and still is considered the father of the German Shepherd Dog it would be nice if you would prefer to him correctly as Max von Stephanitz, out of respect for someone that done so much for that breed.

He founded the GSD breed in 1899, he died in 1936 ---- hum, if he was in Australia in 1825, that would make him pretty darn old. I'll help 1936 to 1825 is 111 years. AND, "IF" he was in Australia in 1825, as you say --- then he waited until he was 74 years old to form the "Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde" (German Shepherd Dog Society). Seems like a pretty tall tale that you are spreading.
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Anonymous
22. RE: Need Help with Koolie / Coolie pages
Oct 5 2006, 9:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2006, 9:50 PM EDT
Thank you again for your assistance and support, Australian Koolie would be most appreciated.
Any assistance please don't hesitate to ask.
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Truthwillout

Truthwillout
23. RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 6 2006, 6:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 6 2006, 6:40 PM EDT
"Sorry to burst your belief, all our bloodlines have been DNA tested the original male foundation of one of our bloodlines who has also been tested was given to us by a person who years later after becoming disgruntled claimed that she got him from a pound.
This was a maliciouse and failed attempt to bring disrepute against the Australian Koolie breed and Tjukurpa Kennels.
As you seem to be attempting to do again here.
With no proof you lay unproven allegations at my door.
The fact is that it is against the law to allow an animal from any pound in Australia to be re-homed unless first desexed and micro-chipped, if this person did indeed obtained the dog illegally, she did it without our knowledge and she would face stern charges.
Did our foundation Koolie have any history, no as many breeders across Australia will willing and honestly reply, did he have ability and meet the criteria we have come to know as the Koolie yes! and his five generations of progeny bare witness to his genetic potency as a sire as they have continued to be excellent workers of Stock, Service, Sport and Companion.
You may gather I am very proud of the current status of our generation bred Koolies and of their ancestors. We have nothing to hide and nothing to prove.
Which is why we DNA all our bloodlines and wait patiently for the secrets to reveal themselves.
Please do not expect any further comments from me regarding this."
What a load of rubbish I dont understand why you keep saying this dog came from me I never even saw him and I was 400 ks away from him I got the impounding paperwork sent to you but you have told this story so many times you believe it. And as to obtaining the dog illegally you really dont have any idea of how pounds work and u call yourself a rescuer shame all pounds are different in every state.Vic dogs are not released with out desexing NSW some pounds do some dont. I feel so sorry for the people u have tricked with this story.
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Truthwillout

Truthwillout
24. RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 7 2006, 1:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2006, 1:11 AM EDT
Here is a dIrect quote or two from yourself.

Re Sam the father of the exported dogs
" he was a rescue who was on death row."
"Tjukurpa is a research facility, we carry out test matings between unknown lines"
"Sam was rescued from Hay NSW 18 months ago, his personality and ability are genuinely fantastic, the Koolie do not have a large gene pool, so his was introduced into the blood lines."
"He has sired 3 litters to different Koolie females to discover that he carries the double merle factor, which causes blind and deaf pups"
"may I say we have only ever introduced two bloodlines from rescue avenues,"



I am not sure what his fantastic ability was it is obvious he was a quick stud :) he was hardly there a minute before u used him no reference to his working style or any thing else his working and other great attibutes



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dogzrmylife

dogzrmylife
25. RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 7 2006, 9:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2006, 9:51 AM EDT
I'm trying to follow this thread and another thread about these dogs.
Has the person who started these threads stopped posting in them???

I gather a representative of the Koolie Club (Coolie?) in Australia has started the threads.

I think it's very irresponsible for your club to post such detailed information then not respond to questions people have.

Can anyone point me in the right direction where I can learn about Coolies/Koolies and where there are genuine enthusiasts of these dogs who will answer questions about them?
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Yatahae
Yatahae
26. RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 7 2006, 12:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2006, 12:27 PM EDT
"I'm trying to follow this thread and another thread about these dogs.
Has the person who started these threads stopped posting in them???

I gather a representative of the Koolie Club (Coolie?) in Australia has started the threads.

I think it's very irresponsible for your club to post such detailed information then not respond to questions people have.

Can anyone point me in the right direction where I can learn about Coolies/Koolies and where there are genuine enthusiasts of these dogs who will answer questions about them?
"
Hello,
Yes, I would be more than happy to answer any questions you have or direct you to someone, if you are in Australia, that will answer questions, also. You can also find information and contact information on the German Coolie at this URL, scroll down to the Additional Resources --- http://www.wikifido.com/page/German+Coolie

Thanks
Yatahae Coolies
www.germancoolies.com
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dogzrmylife

dogzrmylife
27. RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 8 2006, 12:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 8 2006, 12:09 AM EDT
"This is absolute hogwash! Which brings into question the credibility of any of the other "facts" that tjupurka has presented on this site and others.

There is NO LAW in Australia making sterilisation mandatory.
It is the individual policy of each welfare organisation as to whether they desex dogs before re-homing or not.
There is NOTHING in the NSW Companion Animal Act that states desexing before re-homing is compulsory, whether it be from an organisation or an individual.
There are in fact, some animal shelters who DO sell/re-home UNDESEXED dogs.

Please state the ACT under which you are siting this supposed "law".

In addition, it is compulsory for all animals sold or transferred to be microchipped in NSW ONLY. NOT other states in Australia (NSW Companion Animals Act 1998 Sect. 8)."
I checked on the internet with the relevent authority and this is absolutely correct!
I think I'm slowly starting to sort out fact from fiction here.
So in essence, it is NOT against ANY Australian law to sell / re-home / give away / transfer over etc etc a dog that is NOT desexed.
I also found the names of some animal shelters who actually re-home 'entire' dogs!
Lawful, but morally wrong I feel. :-(
I have to wonder how many back yard breeders and puppy mills have started out using dogs they supposedly have "rescued".
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Anonymous
28. Another falsehood from Tjukurpa
Oct 8 2006, 3:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 8 2006, 3:57 PM EDT
"I breed and research the Koolie breed and am a member of the Koolie club of Australia, the Koolie parent club acknowledge by the Australian National Kennel Council.
"
Tjukurpa/Kerrie Challenger, the ANKC acknowledging the KCA is a complete and out-and-out LIE.
This is from VCA:
"The ANKC doesn’t recognize the Koolie Club Of Australia as a national breed club, what it does recognize is, their registration certificates so that someone can register their dog on the Sporting Register".

Regards

Rebecca

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tjukurpa
tjukurpa
29. RE: Another falsehood from Tjukurpa
Oct 8 2006, 7:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 8 2006, 7:26 PM EDT
Honestly such a storm in a tea cup, it has never been stated and if it has please direct me to the site, and if it is in our power to correct it is shall be.
Where it informs the general public that the Koolie breed has been recognized, it has not. It is stated true and correctly that only members of the Koolie Club of Australia may access the Sporting registrar in Victoria, nsw and Qld and that through the Sporting registrar the breed is acknowledged by its breed name Koolie or Australian Koolie.
You can read the official reports at www.Dogs4sale.com.au, www.Petdirectory.com.au, www.koolie.net and basically anywhere you find correct information contributed from the Koolie Club of Australia.

I apologize for my mistake regarding pound, shelters and some rescues, this thread has revealed a very sad state of animal protection.
I made the statement believing in the moral standing that I expected Australia to have and I now discover this is sadly not the case, all the lobbying in the world for better standards for our animals, all the statistics regarding the death toll of unwanted animals, I must be forgiven for believing that mandatory desexing of abandoned animal would be just the normal expected and responsible approach, put aside your blind aggression and see a real situation.
Maybe we could start a petition to have desexing and micro-chipping made mandatory though out Australia, get people power involved and do something positive.

While many in rescue are trying to reduce numbers of dumpings, backyard breeding and breeders for profit and you know who you are by desexing and micro-chipping
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tjukurpa
tjukurpa
30. RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 8 2006, 7:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 8 2006, 7:44 PM EDT
The information was not started by the Koolie Club of Australia, we only contributed to the existing page.
Then there was the usual disagreements, false aspersions and slagging.
The Moderator, I believe is Doggygirl, forgive me if I have that wrong, created two separate pages one for the Australian Koolie which the Koolie Club of Australia continues to contribute to.
In regards to answering questions?, inflamed accusations and flagrant misinformation without supportive proof will never get a response.
Genuine inquiries regarding Koolies, their history, present statis and future direction can be found at www.Koolie.net where you may ask a full panel of long time Koolie breeders, owners and genuine enthusiast as many questions as you like.
You can also post you enquiries on the Koolie forum which you can locate at http://koolie.net/exons/index.php good luck in learning more about our chosen breed.
Don't judge all Koolie owners by what you read here, delays in replying are due to another life beyond this thread.
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Anonymous
31. RE: Another falsehood from Tjukurpa
Oct 8 2006, 10:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 8 2006, 10:42 PM EDT
" it has never been stated and if it
has please direct me to the site, and if it is in our power to correct
it is shall be.
Where it informs the general public that the Koolie
breed has been recognized, it has not. "
YOU are the ONE that posted that --- see the very first post on this thread.
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Anonymous
32. RE: Thanks for your warm welcome
Oct 9 2006, 12:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2006, 12:46 AM EDT
Tjupurka,


How long have you been breeding these dogs and how far back does the records of lineage go for Tjupurka Koolies?
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dogzrmylife

dogzrmylife
33. RE: Another falsehood from Tjukurpa
Oct 9 2006, 1:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2006, 1:17 AM EDT
"

While many in rescue are trying to reduce numbers of dumpings, backyard breeding and breeders for profit and you know who you are "
Hmmm,...............your username rings a bell.
Is that your breeding prefix?

How long have you been breeding and how far back do the lineage records go for your foundation breeding pair?

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Anonymous
34. RE: Another falsehood from Tjukurpa
Oct 9 2006, 1:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2006, 1:19 AM EDT
"Hmmm,...............your username rings a bell.
Is that your breeding prefix?

How long have you been breeding and how far back do the lineage records go for your foundation breeding pair?

"
lol! great minds think alike Dogzrmylife! I have asked that question 3 times now.
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Anonymous
35. RE: Another falsehood from Tjukurpa
Oct 9 2006, 3:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2006, 3:27 AM EDT
"
Where it informs the general public that the Koolie breed has been recognized, it has not. It is stated true and correctly that only members of the Koolie Club of Australia may access the Sporting registrar in Victoria, nsw and Qld and that through the Sporting registrar the breed is acknowledged by its breed name Koolie or Australian Koolie.
"
This is NOT correct. A person does NOT have to be a member of the Koolie Club of Australia in order to be registered in the Sporting Register of the VCA. A person does have to be a member of the Victorian Working Sheepdog Association. If a person lives in NSW, still they do NOT have to be a member of the KCA, but they do have to be a member of the NSW Sheepdog Workers Inc., to be listed in the Sporting Register of the RNSWCC.

Why do you have such a problem telling the truth!?
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Anonymous
36. RE: Another falsehood from Tjukurpa
Oct 9 2006, 5:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2006, 5:27 AM EDT
Correction if a handler wishes their Koolie recognised as a Koolie it will only be recognised if they register though the Koolie club of Australia.
You are correct Nsw handlers of any working breed can register with any other working group which accepts them, but they will not be recognised by their breed just the organisation they register through.
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dogzrmylife

dogzrmylife
37. RE: Another falsehood from Tjukurpa
Oct 9 2006, 8:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2006, 8:14 AM EDT
"Correction if a handler wishes their Koolie recognised as a Koolie it will only be recognised if they register though the Koolie club of Australia.
You are correct Nsw handlers of any working breed can register with any other working group which accepts them, but they will not be recognised by their breed just the organisation they register through."
I like to check all the info out before I sort fact from fiction so I contacted NSW Canine Council (Dogs NSW) and enquired about entry on the Sporting Register if the dog is a Koolie and not registered with the Koolie Club but owner is a member of NSW Sheepdog Workers Inc.

I have copied and pasted the following which was in the reply I received:

"Any dog (including the Koolie) can be registered BY IT'S BREED NAME on the Sporting Register if the owner/handler is a member of the NSW Sheepdog Workers Inc and the dog's breed is recorded by that club.
This includes unrecognised herding breeds such as the Koolie/Coolie and unregistered dogs of a recognised breed which include all of the herding group (list attached).
The advantage of membership of the NSW Sheepdog Workers Inc is that the breed will be recorded, unlike the Associate Register whereby the handler may trial the dog but the breed is not recorded".





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