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| Anonymous | Koolie | 1 | Aug 27 2008, 8:41 AM EDT by Nexus_Inferno | |||
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Thread started: Feb 19 2008, 10:49 AM EST
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Hello, I've been researching this breed and like it very much. Something that I don't understand is why they call it "Koolie" when the dogs are of mixed breed origin. If the dog is Border Collie and Australian Cattle Dog, or Kelpie and Border Collie, mixed with the Koolie, how is it a full blood Koolie? Is this what a Koolie is, just really a mix of Australian Cattle Dog, Border Collie and Kelpie?
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| Anonymous | "C" | 3 | Jan 18 2008, 1:06 AM EST by Cooliesforme | |||
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Thread started: Nov 22 2007, 1:01 AM EST
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Die deutschen Leute sind auf ihre Schäferhundhunde sehr stolz. Für so lang, wie ich weiß, hat meine Familie den Schäferhund verwendet, um zu helfen, die Schafe und das Vieh in Herden zu leben. Wir haben den Buchstaben "C" in unserer Sprache und benutzen ihn sehr häufig. Ich denke nicht, daß der deutsche Coolie irgendein Teil unserer Schäferhundhunde ist. Das klingt wie etwas, das gebildet wurde, um Geld zu verdienen.
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| Toolalla | Bottom Picture | 1 | Jan 14 2008, 9:45 PM EST by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Nov 26 2006, 1:49 AM EST
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I have to say I just love that bottom photograph....too cute!
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| Anonymous | Your quote isn't quite right | 9 | Mar 22 2007, 3:29 PM EDT by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Oct 27 2006, 1:55 AM EDT
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You say: "One such book by Author Angela Sanderson " Australian Dogs" out by Currawong press refers to the Australian Koolie then called the German Collie, what is of most importance in her book is her own reference to a much earlier German writer Von Stephantiz and his book "The German Shepherd in word and picture" released 1925 in which he writes "The Australian graziers were sufficiently impressed with German sheep dogs to import them", he then names the breed which were imported, as the German Tiger ( pronounced with a long"e" not a short "i") and describes them as long or short coated, prick eared type, of merle coloring similar to the type already found in Australia called the German Collie(The Koolie was still being referred to as a German Collie in 1925) this proves that German Tigers were imported to Australia, but it proves more importantly that the Koolie was established and recognised by its own breed name before actual recorded imported Tigers arrived".
What the book really says, and it can be found on page 109, is: There was a diverse variety of other European brreds, and it is still possible to find descendants of some of these early working dogs. Among them is a type known as the German Collie, or by its colloquial name 'German Coolie' or 'Coulie'. She also quoted, "In von Stephanitz's book The German Shepherd in Word and Picture (1925), there is mention that Australian graziers were sufficiently impressed with German sheepdogs to import some. These dogs would almost certainly have been crossed with local dogs, among which could have been the Border Collie. von Stephanitz's classic work covered all manner of German sheepdogs. Among them were what he called the 'tiger-spotted sheepdog' that could be found in several provinces of Germany". At no time does he "names the breed which were imported, as the German Tiger ( pronounced with a long"e" not a short "i")" --- it's not there. If you're going to quote something, QUOTE it CORRECTLY!
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| Anonymous | The name | 4 | Mar 22 2007, 3:22 PM EDT by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Feb 25 2007, 2:09 PM EST
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If the club voted to change the name to the Australian Koolie, then WHY does the club still refer to it? Thanks, Paige
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| DoggyGal | Page HIatus | 0 | Jan 8 2007, 6:04 PM EST by DoggyGal | |||
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Thread started: Jan 8 2007, 6:04 PM EST
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FYI, the Australian Koolie page has been temporarily locked. It will re-open in two days, on January 10th...time to give these dogs a much needed rest...
Respectfully, DoggyGal |
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| Toolalla | Premier Koolie Breeders Link | 1 | Jan 5 2007, 10:07 PM EST by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Jan 3 2007, 6:45 PM EST
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I'm not sure who added the Toolalla Kennels website but I've removed it. There's enough links up there already without needing to add links to individual kennels.
Please don't add it again.
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| Anonymous | Which is correct? | 0 | Nov 12 2006, 5:50 AM EST by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Nov 12 2006, 5:50 AM EST
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On the Koolie club page I read that Koolies breeding strong 160 years; then underneath the picture the caption says, Current Koolie common type. Breeding strong 180 years. So, which is it? 160 yrs would put them 1846 and 180 yrs would put them 1826? Do the dates change to reflect memory, opinion, or whatever point the person is trying to make at the time?
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| Anonymous | Question | 0 | Nov 12 2006, 5:47 AM EST by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Nov 12 2006, 5:47 AM EST
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Why is the dog in the very first picture (after the logo) not even looking at the sheep? Is this how Koolies normally work?
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| Anonymous | History | 2 | Nov 9 2006, 3:28 PM EST by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Oct 30 2006, 8:39 PM EST
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l know this question has been answered somewhere but is the Koolie related to the Collie? l cant seem to find anything about this.
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| Anonymous | Koolie Register | 1 | Oct 31 2006, 11:47 PM EST by tjukurpa | |||
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Thread started: Oct 29 2006, 9:39 PM EST
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Can someone tell me when the KCA Koolie register was started?
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| Anonymous | So what are they? | 0 | Oct 27 2006, 3:20 AM EDT by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Oct 27 2006, 3:20 AM EDT
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From the article above - "The Tiger is not of the Collie bloodlines, but many early Tigers were mistaken for Collies and possibly when a grazier questioned a German migrant with a Tiger, "is that a Collie?" the German replying in his guttural heavily accented rough English, "No Koolie" He was in fact saying it was not a Collie.
The farmer believing this to be the name of this German breed could then have continued to refer to its like as a German Koolie". You say these aren't Collie dogs? Then why do you DNA test for all Collie diseases? If they aren't Collies, then no Collie diseases are going to show up. That's pretty much a waste of money to test for something when you know it isn't there to begin with. That's really not being responsible to your members. |
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| Anonymous | Re: Australian Koolie (Short History of the Breed) | 0 | Oct 24 2006, 12:04 AM EDT by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Oct 24 2006, 12:04 AM EDT
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Assumptions all of it.
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| Yatahae | Kelpie | 0 | Oct 23 2006, 4:00 AM EDT by Yatahae | |||
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Thread started: Oct 23 2006, 4:00 AM EDT
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Working Kelpie Council <admin@wkc.org.au> wrote:
Brutus and Jenny along with other foundation dogs are recorded in our historical Stud book- this database is not published because of book constantly being done upgrading and correcting data. Kind regards, Barbara (Barbara Cooper, WKC). None of the foundation dogs were merle in color --- just wanted to clear this theory up. |
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| Anonymous | merge of two pages | 0 | Oct 10 2006, 12:04 PM EDT by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Oct 10 2006, 12:04 PM EDT
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Doggygal, could you merge these two pages, or delete at least one of them? http://www.wikifido.com/page/German+Coolie%2C+Australian+Koolie#Agree There is no need for this page, when this current page is listed.
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| Anonymous | Kelpies | 0 | Oct 7 2006, 10:33 PM EDT by Anonymous | |||
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Thread started: Oct 7 2006, 10:33 PM EDT
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It is important to understand that the ancestors of the Kelpie were simply (black) dogs, called Colleys or Collies. Some of these Colleys were imported to Australia for stock work in the early 1800's, and were bred to other types of dogs (including the odd Dingo), but always with an eye to working sheep without direct supervision. Today's Collie breeds were not formed until about 10 or 15 years after the Kelpie was established as a breed.
We should note that the first Border Collie was not brought to Australia until after Federation, in 1901. Some people claim that Kelpies have some Dingo blood. One possible reason for this belief is that, in areas where it is illegal to keep dingoes as pets, some dingo owners register their animals as Kelpies or Kelpie crosses. It should be noted that Kelpies and Dingos are very similar in conformation and colouring. There is no doubt that some have deliberately mated Dingos to their Kelpies, and much opinion holds that the best dilution is 1/16-1/32, but that 1/2 and 1/4 will work. Given that the Dingo has been regarded as a savage sheep-killer since the first white settlement of Australia, it is not surprising that few—if any—would admit to the practice. The first "Kelpie" was a black and tan bitch pup with slightly floppy ears bought by Jack Gleeson about 1860 from a litter born on Warrock Station near Casterton, owned by George Robertson, a Scot. Legend has it that "Kelpie" was sired by a Dingo, but there is little evidence for or against this. In later years she was referred to as "(Gleeson's) Kelpie", to differentiate her from "(King's) Kelpie", her daughter. The second "Kelpie" was "(King's) Kelpie", another black and tan bitch out of "Kelpie" by "Caesar", a pup from two sheep-dogs imported from Scotland. "(King's) Kelpie" tied the prestigious Forbes Trial in 1879, and the strain was soon popularly referred to as "Kelpie's pups", or just Kelpies. |
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| tjukurpa | Quick fix required | 3 | Oct 7 2006, 3:27 AM EDT by tjukurpa | |||
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Thread started: Oct 7 2006, 12:05 AM EDT
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Can anyone get the text to align with the images at the top of the history section, each time I set it and save it , all looks fine but when I return it has crunched to one side, so have the pictures, I have tried to equally space them but same thing happens.
Appreciate all efforts
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