Die deutschen Leute sind auf ihre Schäferhundhunde sehr stolz. Für so lang, wie ich weiß, hat meine Familie den Schäferhund verwendet, um zu helfen, die Schafe und das Vieh in Herden zu leben. Wir haben den Buchstaben "C" in unserer Sprache und benutzen ihn sehr häufig. Ich denke nicht, daß der deutsche Coolie irgendein Teil unserer Schäferhundhunde ist. Das klingt wie etwas, das gebildet wurde, um Geld zu verdienen.

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You say: "One such book by Author Angela Sanderson " Australian Dogs" out by Currawong press refers to the Australian Koolie then called the German Collie, what is of most importance in her book is her own reference to a much earlier German writer Von Stephantiz and his book "The German Shepherd in word and picture" released 1925 in which he writes "The Australian graziers were sufficiently impressed with German sheep dogs to import them", he then names the breed which were imported, as the German Tiger ( pronounced with a long"e" not a short "i") and describes them as long or short coated, prick eared type, of merle coloring similar to the type already found in Australia called the German Collie(The Koolie was still being referred to as a German Collie in 1925) this proves that German Tigers were imported to Australia, but it proves more importantly that the Koolie was established and recognised by its own breed name before actual recorded imported Tigers arrived".


What the book really says, and it can be found on page 109, is: There was a diverse variety of other European brreds, and it is still possible to find descendants of some of these early working dogs. Among them is a type known as the German Collie, or by its colloquial name 'German Coolie' or 'Coulie'. She also quoted, "In von Stephanitz's book The German Shepherd in Word and Picture (1925), there is mention that Australian graziers were sufficiently impressed with German sheepdogs to import some. These dogs would almost certainly have been crossed with local dogs, among which could have been the Border Collie. von Stephanitz's classic work covered all manner of German sheepdogs. Among them were what he called the 'tiger-spotted sheepdog' that could be found in several provinces of Germany".

At no time does he "names the breed which were imported, as the German Tiger ( pronounced with a long"e" not a short "i")" --- it's not there. If you're going to quote something, QUOTE it CORRECTLY!

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FYI, the Australian Koolie page has been temporarily locked. It will re-open in two days, on January 10th...time to give these dogs a much needed rest...

Respectfully, DoggyGal

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On the Koolie club page I read that Koolies breeding strong 160 years; then underneath the picture the caption says, Current Koolie common type. Breeding strong 180 years. So, which is it? 160 yrs would put them 1846 and 180 yrs would put them 1826? Do the dates change to reflect memory, opinion, or whatever point the person is trying to make at the time?

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l know this question has been answered somewhere but is the Koolie related to the Collie? l cant seem to find anything about this.

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From the article above - "The Tiger is not of the Collie bloodlines, but many early Tigers were mistaken for Collies and possibly when a grazier questioned a German migrant with a Tiger, "is that a Collie?" the German replying in his guttural heavily accented rough English, "No Koolie" He was in fact saying it was not a Collie.
The farmer believing this to be the name of this German breed could then have continued to refer to its like as a German Koolie".

You say these aren't Collie dogs? Then why do you DNA test for all Collie diseases? If they aren't Collies, then no Collie diseases are going to show up. That's pretty much a waste of money to test for something when you know it isn't there to begin with. That's really not being responsible to your members.

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Working Kelpie Council <admin@wkc.org.au> wrote:
Brutus and Jenny along with other foundation dogs are recorded in our historical Stud book- this database is not published because of book constantly being done upgrading and correcting data. Kind regards, Barbara (Barbara Cooper, WKC).

None of the foundation dogs were merle in color --- just wanted to clear this theory up.

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It is important to understand that the ancestors of the Kelpie were simply (black) dogs, called Colleys or Collies. Some of these Colleys were imported to Australia for stock work in the early 1800's, and were bred to other types of dogs (including the odd Dingo), but always with an eye to working sheep without direct supervision. Today's Collie breeds were not formed until about 10 or 15 years after the Kelpie was established as a breed.

We should note that the first Border Collie was not brought to Australia until after Federation, in 1901.

Some people claim that Kelpies have some Dingo blood. One possible reason for this belief is that, in areas where it is illegal to keep dingoes as pets, some dingo owners register their animals as Kelpies or Kelpie crosses. It should be noted that Kelpies and Dingos are very similar in conformation and colouring. There is no doubt that some have deliberately mated Dingos to their Kelpies, and much opinion holds that the best dilution is 1/16-1/32, but that 1/2 and 1/4 will work. Given that the Dingo has been regarded as a savage sheep-killer since the first white settlement of Australia, it is not surprising that few—if any—would admit to the practice.

The first "Kelpie" was a black and tan bitch pup with slightly floppy ears bought by Jack Gleeson about 1860 from a litter born on Warrock Station near Casterton, owned by George Robertson, a Scot. Legend has it that "Kelpie" was sired by a Dingo, but there is little evidence for or against this. In later years she was referred to as "(Gleeson's) Kelpie", to differentiate her from "(King's) Kelpie", her daughter.

The second "Kelpie" was "(King's) Kelpie", another black and tan bitch out of "Kelpie" by "Caesar", a pup from two sheep-dogs imported from Scotland. "(King's) Kelpie" tied the prestigious Forbes Trial in 1879, and the strain was soon popularly referred to as "Kelpie's pups", or just Kelpies.

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