don't think the nose hit will work in the long run .... our hands are a source of rewards not abuse.

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I wrote this several years ago, and at the time, it was working well - doing exactly as it was written - for my gang, and for others in classes. Enter the guy that caused me to rethink that "giving a treat from the plate". He was so totally focused on that plate, thinking that "eventually I'm going to get a piece of that", that he forgot about his Treat Giver, which could extrapolate to "eventually I'm going to get to chase the car, get in another dog's face (and maybe get bitten), get to play with the panty hose, etc". Wrong! Never again did I give a treat from that plate. It could be pieces of sirloin, and not in his wildest dreams would he get it. It was put up. Over and done. Instead, he'd get whatever I happened to have in my pocket - a chunk of string cheese, a piece of cookie, a commercial treat, popcorn. Yes, lots of crumbs in my pockets.

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