Easter Sunday, April 8
The Latest Poop!
As OHPat points out keep an eye on the meats you select for homecooking. I need to point out here in Knoxville we can't trust Walmart's meat. They have sold tainted beef and chicken to people.
I swear I want a farm so we can raise our own livestock and crops! It was so great when my parents
had their 86 acre farm. We were much more self-sufficient.
OK turns out, Katie and I put our heads together... Neyll has Kennel Cough from taking her to get
tested at my first vet. Of course Moose will get it too. No symptoms yet on him coughing.
ONCE AGAIN I must caution everyone to keep your dogs away from other dogs for at least the foreseeable future. We simply do not know which dogs (unless they are our friends and families dogs) how they are treated and if their immune systems are strong.
KENNEL COUGH IS RAMPANT NOW Katie says.
I told my puppies' parents way back when they went to the vet not to let their animals on any surface in
a vets office. Carry them. Make sure the examination table has been sanitized first.
I should have restricted both of mine's movements more. I didn't let them near other dogs but they got it from a surface or from the air. The vets took our dogs in their back room to get their blood sample drawn. Who knows ??? if they sanitized the surface well! Kennel cough is a bacterium but it can be spread in the air.
THIS IS A PET LOVER'S nightmare!
I still am glad we got the blood panel run even if they caught kennel cough.
We are using Robotussin DM. My dogs hate it! Even Neyll who eats everything gagged on it. Too bad, they are both getting it! We discovered a teaspoon syringe is the least objectional for administration.
See the chronicle of what my hopefully OK from the avoiding toxin poison. The journey is a long road taken my husband, Neyll, Moose and I so far.
Read bottom to top.
Regards, Pat Dunlap
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Saturday, April 7, 4:30 pm.
I called Katie out of desparation! Good thing I did. We took our two to the first Vet this Monday of this week to get there blood panel run. Yesterday Neyll started coughing. Coughed during the night and today. Moose started coughing today. A dry hacking cough. No vomit.
Diagnosis? Kennel Cough! Administer Robotussin DM -1 teaspoon as directed. On our way after a much needed dinner out and Robotussin here it comes! Since so many dogs are immuno-compromised keep your animals way from others.
Our dogs have woofed down their fish, carrots, peas, green beans, and rice turbo mode tonight!
Whew! OK back to the blood panel. I still want to do the Milk Thistle and Denosyl to get their liver
enzymes back in range.
OK let's hope this did it. We may even yet dodged the bullet on the toxin poisoning! Surely to goodness if they had been pulled off food March 16 they would be very sick puppies by now. However, a dog can have liver damage from a transcient agent. It could be why their liver numbers are up above normal range.
The saga continues ....
See: Venerable Vet from information regarding Kennel Cough
http://www.valleypetnews.com/venerable_vet1.htm
http:// www. valleypetnews. com/ venerable_vet1.htm
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Saturday, April 7, 2:30 PM
I think I am getting through to my husband that indeed we're going to have to wing it.
I am not convinced now either veterinarian was correct. Neyll is in her crate and still coughing. She usually lays on her bed.
About to talk my husband into finally ordering what Katie suggested. He is out running an errand.
He acknowledges Neyll is not feeling well. Husband exclaims, "What do we do now?"
Pushing to order the following as Katie suggested yesterday.
Milk Thistle and Denosyl. I checked the Denosyl supplier and they are back ordered on it.
The second vet said that this toxic poisoning is kidney only. I disagree. He also stated there
is nothing to do to heal a liver. I am not sure of that at all.
I am with alot of you us group people and bloggers are ahead of the FDA and veterinarians.
Senator Durbin, "Incomplete data and reporting from the FDA. Blogs and nonprofit
websites have filled a gap and become the most efficient way to share information on
contaminations. Durbin wants to direct the FDA to create a similar information sharing
system that would allow state veterinarians, pet owners and others to alert the FDA of
possible contaminations."
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Saturday, April 7, 10:30 AM
Male dog > Alkaline Phosphatase 256 > Normal Range 5-131
Female dog > Bilirubin, Total > .04 > Alkaline Phosphatase 272 > Normal Range 5-131
Other values on a full blood panel also will confirm that the out of range Alkaline Phosphatase can be 100 - 200 over limit in certain breeds and the other values are in range that the dogs are not poisoned. It's when the values of A.Ph. approach several hundred over it's time to go into overdrive with all alarms ringing.
I just came back from a Veterinarian for a second opinion. I trust this vet, he is one of the best in Knoxville. For some reason Scottish Terrier's have higher Alkaline Phosphatatase level then many, many other breeds.
The rest of the blood panel numbers were mid to low range in excellent shape. The coughing of my female can be explained that our area has a record level number of pollen this Spring. My husband and I are congested.
Much better to be safe than sorry.
I am set at ease now that the one a piece Alpo cans were not from the effected factory, there would be higher renal numbers by this stage. We were extremely lucky. Extremely.
If anyone has the least amount of doubt about any dry or canned food not on the recall yet still contains wheat gluten I highly recommend a full blood panel.
For those of you suffering, still twisting in the wind, I sent you my prayers and healing balm. What was done to your animals a despicable act of pure unadulterated evil. God has the final justice that will see
these people go to a very hot place for eternity.
Close your eyes now you folks dedicated to keeping your's on dog food. I still say NONE are safe. Those wishing to prevail in a lawsuit need to think that direction. Not only to win the case but that it is true, no dog food no matter how "balanced" and "human grade" as claimed by the high dollar marketering is safe.
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From: Katie, Friday, April 6
Olivia had this about 8 months ago! Put your dogggies on Denosyl immediately, and then go online and buy some liquid Milk Thistle right away! Make sure it doesn't have any alcohol in it though. I will send you a link to the place I order it from BELOW! I give Olivia a half a dropper full, twice a day. Her Liver enzyme levels were so high, that they were not even showing on the chart! Now they are back to NORMAL. My vet told me it had to be the milk thistle, because none of the things he was giving her would have made them drop back down so drastically. He didn't know much about Milk Thistle, and told me had heard of it, but didn't believe it would work until he saw how Olivia had improved so much! He told me he was almost sure she wouldn't have lived a month as high as her enzymes were when I first took her in to see him. I take her in again next week for a re-check. He does blood work now every 3 months just to make sure she is still okay.
The company I use is the Eclectic Institute. The NON alcohol formula only! Go according to their weights as to which size dosage to order.
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MenuFoodsClassAction Yahoo Group
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Pat:
I don't know if this will shed any light on your questions or not. But I just wanted to add my input. My dog was very sick a few weeks ago. She was very lethargic, thirsty & basically just not herself. Our vet ran the usual tests & could not find the problem. We took our dog to a vet specialist & they kept her overnight & ran more tests. All they could tell us was: her temp was 104, her white blood count was abnormally low & her liver was leaking enzymes. After spending $2,000, we took her home.
They wanted to run more tests but we wanted her home. She is on antibiotics still and she does not get any commercial dog food. I make all her dogfood myself from people grade quality meats & pastas & veggies.
The problem now is that she is constipated. We had been feeding her Mighty Dog cuts & gravy & sometimes Alpo cuts & gravy. I would bet my life on the fact that it was the dog food. The vets do not agree.
Good luck!
Mary
Oh, and I forgot to add to my last post....when I spoke with someone from the FDA and explained my story, I asked her if she heard from other people about dogs with LIVER damage and NOT KIDNEY damage. As I suspected, she had! She said that "many people" reported liver problems. I am not sure what she meant by many but it did confirm my suspicions!
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In Chicago, Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, called for a hearing to question F.D.A. officials. He also called for standardized federal regulations and inspection requirements for pet food. --NYTimes http://tinyurl. http://tin_ (http://tinyurl. com/3dxdnw) Excerpt from the announcement on the Senator's website: See full text here: http://durbin. http://durbhttp: //durbhttp: //du_(http://durbin. senate.gov/ record.cfm? id=271910) Durbin is urging the FDA to take action in three specific areas: Delay in reporting. Menu Foods, Inc. first noticed a potential problem on February 20, 2007 but did not contact FDA until March 15, 2007. In the meantime, other companies were selling tainted product and the supplier wasn't aware that it had provided wheat gluten contaminated with melamine. Durbin wants companies that delay reporting to the FDA and endanger human and animal health to face penalties. Lack of inspections. The Emporia, Kansas Menu Foods facility where many of these products were made had never been inspected by the FDA. The agency has been relying on the states to conduct inspections, but the FDA has jurisdiction over all pet food manufacturing facilities and the ultimate responsibility to ensure facilities comply with FDA standards. Where there should be federal regulation, there is instead a patchwork of state inspection systems and voluntary guidance. Durbin wants to require the FDA to work with the states to establish a standardized set of regulations and inspection requirements. Incomplete data and reporting from the FDA. Blogs and nonprofit websites have filled a gap and become the most efficient way to share information on contaminations. Durbin wants to direct the FDA to create a similar information sharing system that would allow state veterinarians, pet owners and others to alert the FDA of possible contaminations.
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MenuFoodsClassAction Yahoo Group
Liver Damage from Toxins?
Thank you Lily Wonder for your answer!
>> YES!! my dog Mollie, has liver damage, not kidney, though the symptoms are the same. Her next blood test is thurs.<<
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! UPDATE: Low - Normal Range Renal Enzyme Values; Higher than Normal Range Liver Enzymes
I am getting some resistance in my household since we received the full blood panel Thursday ... The Vet said on the higher than the top of the range numbers on both of my Scotties is explained by Scotties liver enzymes run high as unremarkable.
The other resident here in denial is hanging onto these words rather than proceed by going to another veterinarian to focus on the liver enzymes. He is thinking that the numbers are not high enough out of range to be concerned enough to seek treatment.
I AM CONCERNED!
What is the first symptom generally that presents?
My female in the last 24 hours has developed a cough, I just heard my male cough.
I'm working on our page so that our account makes more sense.
I need to add the date of the first recall which was???
And also the Alpo date announcement which was???
Please see what I have done so far. This is a work in progress.
Scottish Terriers Menu Foods Poisonings?
Menu Foods are you murdering my Scotties ?
http://www.wikifido.com/page/Scottish+Terriers+Menu+Foods+Poisonings%3F
http:// www. wikifido . com/ page/ Scottish+Terriers+Menu+Foods+Poisonings%3F
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Subject: ! High Liver Enzymes / Well Within Normal Renal Enzymes >
Very Long and Detailed > Veterinary Professionals Please Read !
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High Liver Enzymes / Well Within Normal Renal Enzymes, Sample run
Received Thursday, April 5th.
We had our two Scottish Terriers' Full Blood Panels back, Thursday,
April 5, 2007.
My husband picked up the results. The vet was unavailable we had a call request when she became available about 2 hours later.
Initially we celebrated until the Vet called. We were focused on the Renal Enzymes that were well within Normal Range. Two hours after picking them up the Veterinarian became available and called.
She did note and the tests reveal an
elevated Liver Enzyme level Male dog > Alkaline Phosphatase 256 > Normal Range 5-131 Female dog > Bilirubin, Total > .04 > Alkaline Phosphatase 272 > Normal Range 5-131
I am beginning research: "liver enzymes" "dogs"
An added complication to note: Scottish Terriers have high liver enzymes that can be caused by Cushings Disease. Somewhat elevated because of a history of inbreeding. However 5 generations out on each of our dogs' pedigrees shows no inbreeding. We selected carefully to avoid some very lethal and other very debilitating congential and developing diseases and syndroms. None of the 5 generations to our knowledge in either one with Cushings or other congenital abnormalities or diseases. We have not seen any prior symptoms until about the last month. Our dogs are drinking more water than usual.
See our page on wikiFido to learn more about Scottish Terriers regarding the many, many disorders of this breeds genetically caused or environmentally caused.
http://www.wikifido.com
http://www. wikifido .com
http://www.wikifido.com/page/Scottish+Terrier+%28Scottie%29
http:// www. wikifido .com /page /Scottish+Terrier+%28Scottie%29
Upshot: Scottish Terriers are being studied by Purdue because of their very, very high incidence of lethal cancer. This research is not only being applied to other breeds but also towards cancer research in humans.
wikiFido >Scottish Terrier (Scottie)
http://www.wikifido.com/page/Scottish+Terrier+%28Scottie%29
http: // www. wikifido .com / page /Scottish+Terrier+%28Scottie%29
Author, Pat (myself)
The Scottish Terrier at the top of the page is the "son" of Neyll and Moose Dunlap (our pair). He was tested the same time ours were up in NY and the results (more equiped vet) the same day. No numbers whatsoever above normal ranges.
See our babies, our beloved Neyll and Moose here:
wikiFido > Scottish TerrierMy Scottish Terrier > Dunlap Clan Crew
http://www.wikifido.com/page/Dunlap+Crew+Clan
http://www.wikifido.com/ page /Dunlap+Crew+Clan
wikiFido Scottish Terrier Pictures
http://www.wikifido.com/page/Dunlap+Crew+Clan
http://www.wikifido.com/ page /Dunlap+Crew+Clan
I have researched Scottish Terriers for four and 3/4 years (2002 - present) extensively previously to bringing our babies home. Neyll will be five June 3 and Moose five November 15.
Scotties are to be monitored carefully for immune and autoimmune watch. Avoid as many chemicals as possible. We have protected ours for over four years now from insults to their immune system .. that is until now.
Reading this as an article of my initial research besides liver disease and elevated liver enzymes this seems very, very relevant to the Menu Foods and other Mounting Food Recalls.
Urban Hound
http://www.urbanhound.com/houndHealth/ShowAnswer.asp?QID=3D202
http://www.urbanhound.com/ houndHealth /ShowAnswer.asp?QID=3D202
*Cushings Disease*
In part...
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"... Note that an increase in one or more liver enzymes does not mean that your dog's liver isn't working properly. A "passing insult" can cause a rise in liver enzymes without doing any long-term damage whatsoever. If your vet is worried that the liver is not working properly, he or she will perform "liver function tests," such as bile acid tests, to check.
If your dog's tests for Cushing's are negative, your vet might suggest doing an abdominal ultrasound to look at the liver and a liver biopsy to see what sort of damage, if any, the liver cells are showing
microscopically. Or if your dog is otherwise perfectly well, waiting a few weeks and then repeating the blood test to see if the liver enzymes have changed might also be appropriate... "
We will follow up with "liver function tests" If necessary run an ultrasound to see what sort of damage the liver cells may have incurred.
History of Feeding:
Male was eating Nutro Natural Small Bites (Dry). Female was eating Nutro
Pro for Seniors (Dry)
Have been on a very long diet additionally of 1/4 can of Pedigree canned per feeding
as an incentive to each of their dry food.
The Pedigree pallet, 24 cans of chicken dog food was purchased the day or two after
Christmas, December 24, 2006. Location: Sam's Club, Knoxville, TN. was ingested 24 cans. Approximately a week the supply was finished before the initial recall of Menu Recalls.
That week before the initial recall of Menu Foods, we had purchased Nestle' / Purina Alpo and both dogs had small amounts per day adding up to each Scottie having a can apiece in a four day period.
We immediately after that first Menu Foods Recall stopped feeding Alpo. Checked the label for dates for any matching recall numbers and dates as the pouched Purina Food. No numbers matched the Purina Initial Recalls.
I had my husband as a precaution return all remaining Alpo cans to the store for a refund. This was Pre-Alpo Recall. I wish, hind sight being 20/20 we had kept the cans.
We did not retain the codes and use by dates. Of course we didn't have the original grocery receipts... it is a rare person, let's face it, who saves all of their grocery receipts.
We immediately discontinued Alpo the day of the first Menu Foods recall. After more thought halted feeding Nutro Food Dry two days later when reports began to surface Nutro Dry Foods may be involved in the Menu toxin fiasco.
Ever since both have been on a human food diet of * protein meats * * and vegetables * mixed and individual vegetable kinds * no additives.
Both of my dogs now that I recall have been drinking more water in the last month or so. I didn't really think this is unusual because they are black dogs that run hotter outside and frequently spend hours together in our backyard playing and hunting "varmints." Knoxville's weather has
warmed to the mid 70s and 80s.
I sit here now stuplified and more than a bit concerned!
I am getting more and more convinced this * could indeed be related * to the toxic poisoning of dog food by Menu Foods we are all seeing both Dry and Wet (Canned, Pouches).
Those of you in the background, please pass this along to your medical veterinary experts for their immediate attention.
I would appreciate any of you that can shed light on our current dread please, please email me.
I ask all who read this to please send prayers to my beloved Scottish Terriers (Scotties) Neyll and Moose for their complete healing.
Blessings out to all people who have lost their pets to this inexcusable polluting of our animals!
Prayers said to all to help with coming to terms with Menu Foods and the client companies that have murdered so many innocents!
Pat
aboutdogsxpen @ yahoo.com
Joe, Pat, Neyll, and Moose
~ The Dunlap Clan
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wikiFido > Scottish Terrier My Scottish Terrier > Dunlap Clan Crew
http://www.wikifido.com/page/Dunlap+Crew+Clan
http://www.wikifido.com/ page /Dunlap+Crew+Clan
wikiFido Scottish Terrier Pictures
http://www.wikifido.com/page/Dunlap+Crew+Clan
http://www.wikifido.com/ page /Dunlap+Crew+Clan
I have researched Scottish Terriers for four and 3/4 years (2002 - present) extensively previously to bringing our babies home. Neyll will be five June 3 and Moose five November 15.
Scotties are to be monitored carefully for immune and autoimmune watch. Avoid as many chemicals as possible. We have protected ours for over four years now from insults to their immune system .. that is until now.
Reading this as an article of my initial research besides liver disease and elevated liver enzymes this seems very, very relevant to the Menu Foods and other Mounting Food Recalls.
Urban Hound
http://www.urbanhound.com/houndHealth/ShowAnswer.asp?QID=3D202
http://www.urbanhound.com/ houndHealth /ShowAnswer.asp?QID=3D202
*Cushings Disease*
In part...
...
"... Note that an increase in one or more liver enzymes does not mean that your dog's liver isn't working properly. A "passing insult"can cause a rise in liver enzymes without doing any long-term damage whatsoever. If your vet is worried that the liver is not working properly, he or she will perform "liver function tests," such as bileacid tests, to check.
If your dog's tests for Cushing's are negative, your vet might suggest doing an abdominal ultrasound to look at the liver and a liver biopsy to see what sort of damage, if any, the liver cells are showing
microscopically. Or if your dog is otherwise perfectly well, waiting a few weeks and then repeating the blood test to see if the liver enzymes have changed might also be appropriate... "
We will follow up with "liver function tests" If necessary run an ultrasound to see what sort of damage the liver cells may have incurred.
History of Feeding:
Male was eating Nutro Natural Small Bites (Dry). Female was eating Nutro
Pro for Seniors (Dry).
Have been on a very long diet additionally of 1/4 can of Pedigree canned per feeding
as an incentive to each of their dry food.
The Pedigree pallet, 24 cans of chicken dog food was purchased the day or two after
Christmas, December 24, 2006. Location: Sam's Club, Knoxville, TN. was ingested 24 cans. Approximately a week the supply was finished before the initial recall of Menu Recalls.
That week before the initial recall of Menu Foods, we had purchased Nestle' / Purina Alpo and both dogs had small amounts per day adding up to each Scottie having a can apiece in a four day period.
We immediately after that first Menu Foods Recall stopped feeding Alpo. Checked the label for dates for any matching recall numbers and dates as the pouched Purina Food. No numbers matched the Purina Initial Recalls.
I had my husband as a precaution return all remaining Alpo cans to the store for a refund. This was Pre-Alpo Recall. I wish, hind sight being 20/20 we had kept the cans.
We did not retain the codes and use by dates. Of course we didn't have the original grocery receipts... it is a rare person, let's face it, who saves all of their grocery receipts.
We immediately discontinued Alpo the day of the first Menu Foods recall. After more thought halted feeding Nutro Food Dry two days later when reports began to surface Nutro Dry Foods may be involved in the Menu toxin fiasco.
Ever since both have been on a human food diet of * protein meats * * and vegetables * mixed and individual vegetable kinds * no additives.
Both of my dogs now that I recall have been drinking more water in the last month or so. I didn't really think this is unusual because they are black dogs that run hotter outside and frequently spend hours together in our backyard playing and hunting "varmints." Knoxville's weather has
warmed to the mid 70s and 80s.
I sit here now stuplified and more than a bit concerned!
I am getting more and more convinced this * could indeed be related * to the toxic poisoning of dog food by Menu Foods we are all seeing both Dry and Wet (Canned, Pouches).
Those of you in the background, please pass this along to your medical veterinary experts for their immediate attention.
I would appreciate any of you that can shed light on our current dread please, please email me.
I ask all who read this to please send prayers to my beloved Scottish Terriers (Scotties) Neyll and Moose for their complete healing.
Blessings out to all people who have lost their pets to this inexcusable polluting of our animals!
Prayers said to all to help with coming to terms with Menu Foods and the client companies that have murdered so many innocents!
Pat
aboutdogsxpen @ yahoo.com
Joe, Pat, Neyll, and Moose ~ The Dunlap Clan
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