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Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Jan 26 2008, 11:27 AM EST
My Chi's are the love of my life. Although they are my main breed, I do like to dabble in intelligent design....as I did with the Shar-pei in the 90's by cross breeding it to the Pug. In four generations I was able to set the type of the Oriental Shar-pei.......AKA the Ori-pei. After producing some 75+ Ori-pei's, writing the set standard for the breed and starting the mother club that is registered in Delaware, I passed the baton on to other breeders that could better promote the breed. I had a ball doing it. Now I got the itch again. This time I will breed down the mini dachshund to a micro toy breed. Sounds good? Well, I managed to get to the 2nd generation so far with amazing results. I have a little boy that is 2 pounds at 8 months. He is so small, a very rare maybe one of a kind blue and lavender dapple with two types of coat on him, where he's blue his coat is short and where he's lavender his coat is long. Did you ever see anything like that? I haven't. When I take him out to the pet store the people are amazed at what they are looking at. It will probably go the way the ori-pei did for me but I'm having a ball doing it again. I will call this bread down new little breed a micro doxie. My trade mark for my own line for the breed will be a docked tail. and I hope to produce them in a variety of colors. No doubt this subject will disturb some people who do not know a thing about breeding dogs. As I have already have had some negative responses from people that don't know anything about breed creation. How do you think the dog breeds that we know today got here? Chihuahuas are one of the most modified breeds in all the canine world today, and have been cross bread to create many of the toy breeds we know in the world today. 2 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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1. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Jan 27 2008, 2:17 AM EST
Sounds interesting do you have a photo of this little guy?
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2. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Jan 30 2008, 4:54 PM EST
Personally, I would be most interested in what you are doing to ensure good health of the puppies you're creating. Do you have any DNA testing done to rule out genetic disorders? Do you have hips and elbows certified to ensure the breeding stock is of high quality?It sounds from your post that you're possibly breeding double merles at this point (re: the blue and lavender dapple). Is this the case? Are you worried about / seeing issues commonly associated with double merles, such as blindness, deafness, and other congenital defects? 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Feb 1 2008, 8:02 PM EST
people do not realize that Most of todays so called pure breed dogs started off as the breeding and inbreeding of several other dogs breeding them to near the point of what was wanted then indreeding to futher reach the desired point till finally they could again be out bred to re-strengthen the new breed indeed you are on the right track in your voyage to micro weenie...lol I myself have had many ideas to produce new exciting breeds and prehapps one day i may set forth on my own voyage og doggdom
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4. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Feb 24 2008, 10:39 AM EST
"people do not realize that Most of todays so called pure breed dogs started off as the breeding and inbreeding of several other dogs breeding them to near the point of what was wanted then indreeding to futher reach the desired point till finally they could again be out bred to re-strengthen the new breed indeed you are on the right track in your voyage to micro weenie...lol I myself have had many ideas to produce new exciting breeds and prehapps one day i may set forth on my own voyage og doggdom"so smart..... I love a person with a brain! 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Feb 24 2008, 11:00 AM EST
The out cross to the Dachshund is done once. the gene pool is widen by starting off with 3 unrelated female mini Doxie bread to 3 unrelated male Chihuahuas. Their offspring will take you to the 1 generation, after that chiweenie to chiweenie will produce 2 generation. out of that bunch you choose the smallest males to be bread to the largest females which will produce the 3rd generation and set the type for the foundation stock of the new micro size Doxie. With no hint thatthe Chihuahua was ever used. The end results is a pocket size dachshund. that looks like a standard dachshund. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Feb 24 2008, 11:05 AM EST
I think when they take off they are going to go over big. after all who couldn't fall in love with the mini dashshund that stays a puppy. I want one!
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Posted Anonymously |
7. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Feb 24 2008, 11:18 AM EST
"Sounds interesting do you have a photo of this little guy?"He's a dimond in the ruff. I 'll just tell you he doesn't look anything like a Chihuahua. People think he's a Doxie puppy, because that is what he looks like. He's a gem of a little guy that's waitig to produce little dimonds! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Feb 24 2008, 11:20 AM EST
"The out cross to the Chihuahua is done once. the gene pool is widen by starting off with 3 unrelated female mini Doxie bread to 3 unrelated male Chihuahuas. Their offspring will take you to the 1 generation, after that chiweenie to chiweenie will produce 2 generation. out of that bunch you choose the smallest males to be bread to the largest females which will produce the 3rd generation and set the type for the foundation stock of the new micro size Doxie. With no hint thatSorry, I ment to say the out cross to the Chihuahua is done once. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Feb 28 2008, 7:41 AM EST
"Personally, I would be most interested in what you are doing to ensure good health of the puppies you're creating. Do you have any DNA testing done to rule out genetic disorders? Do you have hips and elbows certified to ensure the breeding stock is of high quality?Do you have any DNA testing done to rule out genetic disorders? Do you have hips and elbows certified to ensure the breeding stock is of high quality?.....These are common questions that most animal activists will ask. Although DNA testing could be a useful source to rule out genetic faults. The trained eye of an experience breeder is the most useful tool one can relay on,..... No , I don't breed Merle to Merle. I don't need to go that route. I have planed my mating pairs very well. The father of the little is a Chocolate splashed short coat chiweenie , the mother is chocolate and tan. I just breed my little Molly Apple pockets. She is my 3rd gen little beauty. A double dapple smooth coat. I have chose to breed her to my 2 lb. Chocolate & tan Chihuahua. Which hopefully will produce some real nice females to be bread back to my very tiny blue & lavender sweetheart (New Dude). 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: Using the chihuahua to breed down a dashshund to toy size
Feb 12 2009, 6:15 PM EST
I do think this sounds like it would be a very CUTE breed and a very loveable little pup... but it sounds like you're more interested in breeding 2 dogs that are going to LOOK good... people used to breed and inbreed dogs to get the perfect dog for the USE they needed... for example- dachshunds were bred to hunt badgers so they were bred to be short and long to get into badger holes. What is the PURPOSE of trying to make these tiny pocket dogs that most likely will have patellar luxation and deafness, and probably heart related problems and back problems. Not to mention them being so tiny that they may not have a very good immune system. Its one thing to end up with a chiweenie as I have... it's another thing to try and make a breed in which you have not, and do not care, to weigh the pros and conns of the breed you are creating. You said you're self you are being "artistic"... you should be breeding to BETTER the breed. Not to mention... if you know SO much about breeding you should know the spelling is "bred" not "BREAD" like the food. At first I thought it was just a typo but you wrote it like that a few other times proving that you don't know as much about dogs being BRED as you claim.
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