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please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 11 2009, 8:42 AM EDT
I recently adoopted a three year old treeing walker coonhound from the local animal shelter. He hates to be alone. Whenever I go inside he starts barking and will not stop until I come back out. He does this all night and our neighbors and starting to complain. He is a sweet dog but I was wondering if there is anything I could do ?? Thanks
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1. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 16 2009, 10:01 AM EDT
You have a darling- Get an anti-bark collar. There are all types- from those that allow the dog 2-3 seconds of barking and then spray the dog in the face or give a shock-some instantly give a shock. The dog can't wear these collars 24/7, as the dogs get sores-like horses and humans do from chafing. batteries need to be checked or spray things refilled. Are you walking your Walker? They are nervous and curious as all get out. If it seems too wild-start walking it in your yard- don't be scared to use a choke or prong chain-as Walkers can weigh from 60-120 lbs. This has to be combined with positive behavior on your side-. Is there any reason why he can't come in and get socialized? Do you go out and try to check things out and then tell your Walker to be quiet? Combining the 2 methods are helpful. Walkers are the nervous hounds-but they are well worth it in affection-my Missy- sat on me most of one night- The next morning I found a bed roll and a bag of men's clothes under my bedroom window. The police said that if I hadn't had Missy in the house that I'd probably would've been raped or something, a small dog wouldn't have kept anybody out. Missy, a Walker, turned out to be about 8 months old-she quit growing in May 09-and Stonewall, a Bluetick, from death row march 19, 2008. You might not like the electronic training aids-but sometimes these strong lunged-loud voiced dogs need some aversion training to give you a chance to re-train them. I do hope that your hound isn't chained out and going out of its mind from boredom and unhappiness. Mine were completely feral-they wouldn't eat dog food and just stood and watched us-fell over when they fell asleep, while watching us. dug up my plants, they didn't run from us-they were just clueless. Do a Yahoo search for hound supplies some good ones that I've used Bill Bass- nitelite Steve Snell in Alabama
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2. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 19 2009, 7:36 PM EDT
Coonhounds are pack oriented -- and you are his pack. He just wants to be with you. Why is he outside? Why isn't he in the home with you?
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3. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 20 2009, 8:40 AM EDT
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I sleep with mine, agreeing with post #2. It makes it easier to house break them. They whine when they need to go out. Stonewall had that Beaver Fever -Gill something or the other and he had occassional really bad stomach cramps. I took him to the vet and got the proper meds. If he had been outside, I wouldn't have known that he was sick. Lots of vets don't check for beaver fever-but the discription of his symptoms caused them to check for that. This week I took in their fecal samples and both are clear of parasites. My hounds would die for me. I don't even like or use crates, but I know that it's the "in thing" now. I also gave them raw hide and stuff to chew on during the night.
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4. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 25 2009, 2:32 AM EDT
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crate training is the only way. Our 2 yr. old walker would rip up anything in sight when we left or urinate on the rugs. This is also, like barking when alone, a form of separation anxiety. I don't know if you noticed but they can be a very high strung breed. We were hesitant about the crate at first, but she took to it straight away. She is actually much calmer now that she has a "safe place". We treated it as a positive thing, putting toys in there and when she got close to it, treating her. She sleeps in it now. It gives her a safe structure when we aren't in sight. I do disagree with the comment about letting your walker sleep in your bed if she starts barking. This encourages the behavior and reinforces his notion that he is only safe with you. You would be giving in, instead of positively helping him face his fear. Plus, talk about bed hogs! They are the only breed I've known to actually try to make themselves heavier when you try to move them to give yourself an inch. God knows we love our walkers but, they are stubborn enough. I find that using encouraging/ praise training makes them actually WANT to repeat what they've been taught. Because really,they just want to cuddle up to you in the end. 4 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 25 2009, 10:39 AM EDT
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While I appreciate your comments, and your agreement with me that Walkers are nervous, my walker and bluetick always sleep on the bed with me. The only time I had lots of barking and bawling was the night that somebody slept in the bushes outside my bedroom window. I found a bed roll and a bag of men's clothes the next morning; I raked the area the day before. The police came out and looked. They said that the loose hounds in the house probably prevented a brutal home invasion and even medium sized dogs weren't stopping those in this area. I put the hounds out back or in my room when we're doing things like bringing in groceries, etc. My bedroom is their den. They chewed things up pretty bad when I first got them-they were feral and had found their own food. I bought a very nice couch with 2 reclining sections for Thanksgiving and it hasn't been chewed or peed on. It's in a doorless room-the TV area. I said that having them initially confined to my room during the night helped house train them. By not having Stonewall crated, I was able to more accurately describe his symptoms and the vet ran a non-standard test. that found the local parasite. Many people now crate their dogs. It's your right and privilege but I have the right to say that I don't. I spent my money on building a dog mountain, 13 cubic yards, where they can jump-dig holes-and look out over the neighborhood. We go for regular long walks and hike. Stonewall likes to fetch-Missy just chases the ball with her ears flopping. Please go to the photo gallery-then albums and look ffor the "Hound Chronicles". You might enjoy the pics of my goofy hounds.
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6. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 26 2009, 10:34 AM EDT
"I recently adoopted a three year old treeing walker coonhound from the local animal shelter. He hates to be alone. Whenever I go inside he starts barking and will not stop until I come back out. He does this all night and our neighbors and starting to complain. He is a sweet dog but I was wondering if there is anything I could do ?? Thanks"I do not think the separation anxiety is helped or hindered by where you let your dogs sleep. I had a Plott hound for a few years (he was a 10 year old outside dog when I got him), and he learned quickly how to take up the whole king sized bed. I also have a lab mix who is 7 now and a new baby doxie mix who is a year and a half. I crated my coonhound for six months when he first came to live with us, but only during the day when I was not at home. Like Meyati said, I would not have found out about his seizures and brain tumor if he slept in his crate. His separation anxiety was eased by a specific kind of cookie that was only given when I left the house, and I started it in his crate and maintained it through his life. My lab mix was also trained that way... the big fat P-Nuttier cookies from Old Mother Hubbard are the "Mommy is leaving the house but she will be back soon" cookies. Consistency and patience is the best way to break separation anxiety in my experience. With my new baby, I use the Kongs and P-Nuttiers already, and she seems to be dealing very well with the separation, but she is still in a crate now during the day too. Every time I experiment with leaving her free in the house, something is destroyed or eaten that should not be. I will likely crate her at least until she is two and a half. That is my choice for her protection and safety. If I am at work for 12 hours and she is eating things in the house without supervision, that is a recipe for disaster, and not just for the mess to clean up or the furniture to replace, but for her actual safety. I hope you find this helpful. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 26 2009, 10:49 AM EDT
Yes, there is something you can do.....bring the dog in the house to live with you, rather than be stuck outside. I had a dalm/wtc mix, and she was the queen of the house. Would you like to be stuck outside while your people are inside? Pretty simple solution.
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8. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 26 2009, 5:45 PM EDT
If your walker is out to be a guard dog-they do a better job by being in the house-outside they respond to noises on the street and in the neighborhood-which would cause lots of the barking. Inside they respond to what's happening inside the house-somebody at a door or window. They even catch the teen agers sneaking in or out.
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9. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Aug 30 2009, 10:58 AM EDT
How's your walker hound doing-is there any improvement?
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10. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Sep 10 2009, 9:45 PM EDT
Regarding SBARBRE. I have adopted two sheltered treeing walker coonhounds. You can easily stop the barking and separation anxiety. We paid a trainer $200 for this advice, I will forward it for free! Leave the dog inside and all parties in the home must leave. Leave for about five minutes and all return together. Really pet and wow the dog when you return. Do this over and over increasing the time you are outside. (We actually sat in the car and slide down in the seats so she could not see us.) We left for five minutes, next fifteen, then 30 minutes. Honestly, she only barked and howled for 25 minutes the third time. This is a control issue, your dog does not see you as the boss and realizes the barking etc. is getting your attention. Your fourth trip should be about an hour, next two hours. They are afraid you are not coming back and need to be assured you will return. They are very bright dogs and learn fast. YOU MUST crate these dogs for the first month. They need to be crated at night and during the day while you are at work. Honestly, only takes about four weeks and they establish a routine. The crate must be a happy place and not used for punishment. Leave toys or small treats inside. If you follow these guidelines and walk this dog everyday expect an amazing transformation. I suggest the prong type German collar. These dogs always follow a scent on ground or air. They need to feel they hunted or followed scent each day. They will ge gentle and relaxed after meeting this need. They will never be car smart and cannot be allowed off the leash outside a fenced area. They will follow a scent, run in front of cars, following a scent for MILES. This is how they landed in a shelter! Shock collars are actually very painful. These dogs are so easily trained. Invisible fencing is not an option for these dogs, they will do anything, endure anything to follow a scent. The collar, I suggested, will change your dog instantly! 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Sep 11 2009, 7:51 AM EDT
My hound is doing a lot better now. I do take him for daily walks now and I guess part of the barking was because he hadn't gotten used to everything. Now he is doing really well and I am really glad that he is a part of our family. Thanks all for your help!
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12. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Sep 11 2009, 10:43 AM EDT
I do know what you mean about them learning the schedule. A Walker is sort of a nervous hound, where they react to more noises-which makes them good guards dogs and complaining neighbors. They really have a set of lungs on them and they sound off when they hear something or are playing-want in. I was lucky and have a pair of hounds-they were dumped off at animal control together. School started last week and we live on the main street for 3 schools-elementary, middle and catholic, but by the 3rd day they quit sounding when the kids walked by. Thank God!!
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13. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Sep 11 2009, 8:03 PM EDT
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Missy was a wild Walker. We got her mar. '08. My 2 hounds had less than a total of 6 hours to be adopted. She wears an electronic collar, as she immediately began climbing a concrete block wall that's over 6ft. But she hasn't been in a crate. I did the opposite, I built a mountain in the back yard so they can look out over the neighborhood. They didn't know what dog food or a toy was. I looked at her and she peed. They said that she did this at the shelter while waiting for the owner to contact them. Just this month, she's started playing tug of war with me. She won't ride in the front seat because she has clausterphobia. She rides in the back. A person can't say definiately what will work or what won't work-because dogs have brains and think for their selves. Both sleep with me every night. The neighbors laughed because every morning I loaded her up and drove around the block, then cleaned the vomit and diarherria out. Then it was 2 blocks and now I can drive her around town with only some drool. Nobody can say exactly what will work with any dog. My vet says that a behavoirist might get it right or get it all wrong. I admire your commitment and having the $$. Missy misses the Bluetick more than me, when we go for a walk without her. She has a roll top desk that she lies on and waits for anyone to come. She thinks that she's teaching me to answer the door, because she runs to the door and runs back to get me, by that time, most have run like he** outa here. If Missy gets loose, she'll come back when I call her. I will tell you one thing-if a goat comes around, she will kill it. Apparently Missy is a purebred that followed mommy on a hunt and never made it back to the ranch. The bluetick found her and raised her. He's covered with battlescars. She finally quit growing. I had a black and tan mix pup that we found trudging up a forest road 3 months after he followed mom out.
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14. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Sep 11 2009, 8:09 PM EDT
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PS, my hounds haven't and don't wear anti-bark collars. The old bluetick is a bawled mouth hound and Missy has a good set of lungs. Her voice is getting deeper now that she's grown up. She weighs over 70 lbs. She weighed 42, when we got her and Stonewall was 44-he's gained about 30 lbs, but is a bit small and fine boned for a bluetick. They've always slept on my bed. Missy uses it for her afternoon siesta too. The main reason to sleep with them was to house break them. I could hear them when they got restless and take them out. Stonewall had severe stomach cramps-When they had the runs-I marked it up to not catching their own food-and the diet was too rich-but hearing his agony-had me take a stool sample to the vet. You just don't go from eating raw meat, fruit, frogs, fish, and roots without some adjustment problems. They didn't trust coming in the house, when they got in they didn't want to go out into 40-65 mph sand storms-then it snowed at times-here we get snow from Nov to May-but it usually melts in 1-3 days because we're so far south and over a mile high.
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15. RE: please help- need advice on treeing walker coonhounds
Sep 11 2009, 8:28 PM EDT
The hound puddle-their weight just shifts from one place to another inside that loose skin-and they don't physically move. I'd get down on my knees and roll Stonewall like a barrel to the outside or into my bedroom. I'd call him first, grab the scruff of his neck or collar. After 3 weeks of being rolled around or carried he learned that he can walk. My family laughed because I'd coo, "You can do it, just one more step." I scream a lot and wave my hands. Clapping means bed-they run and jump on our bed. When Derek Jeter matched Lou Gerhig's batting record this week-I applauded and the hounds ran to our room and jumped on the bed. I make a motion like throwing a ball with my finger pointed and they run out of the house. Making a fist and pumping it up and down means to come in. At first, we all slept on a twin bed. I was sick one day and my son came in to find the hounds. he went and bought us a queen bed the next day. I had the stomach flu early this week. After a stint in the bathroom, Stonewall came over and moaned, as he rubbed my forehead and cheek with the side of his muzzle-no cold noses nor licking-he just pet me. Do you find this valuable? |
