"The presumtion that the dogs that arrived on the first fleet were herding or collie type dogs is pure poetic licence, the manifest for the cargo does not stipulate any breed or in fact that they were mature dogs, it simply states "'puppies and kittens". There is every chance that they were of a ratting type such as terriers as ships were notoriously rat infested.

There is no evidence that the koolie descends from the Smithfield and to say the koolie didn't adapt to the outback and were too large and cumbersome could only be stated by someone who doesn't know koolies or has never experienced seeing one work in these situations. It is quite common for a koolie to continue working in these environments while the kelpies pack it in and head for the shade. These people are probably ensconced in suburbia thinking up ways to sell pups or books."

"The "First Fleet Arrival" arrived in 1788; Capt. Cook's voyages were not known as the First Fleet.

You say the Coolie "adapted to the outback" In reference to a physical feature? An "adaptation" is a feature that helps an organism survive and reproduce in its environment (without the dictation of humans). You have referred to the Coolie as 160 years of natural breeding? Do you have any idea what that actually means? And how can you prove that statement?

In reference to a process of biological change, "adaptation" is the process by which a population of animals becomes adjusted ("adapted") to its environment over many generations.

The researchers Linda Rorem, Iris McCombe and Pat Hutchinson do not sell puppies, nor do they write book. So, they would have no reason to lie or make the information up. "

"My opinion is that the Koolie evolved in Australia (making it an Australian breed not German) from working breeds brought to the country with immigrants. There is no evidence that they were descendants of the Smithfield or that they were large and cumbersome or too "vociferous". Speaking to breeders who have bred and worked Koolies for up to 50 years in Australia they do not agree at all with this description.

If you check out your own link to rough collies of distinction you will find at the bottom of the page that Iris Combe and Pat Hutchinson are listed as authors of up to 4 books."

"All I have quoted is the "information" you have posted on your page, you are now refuting your own information in this post. You have quoted Iris Combe and Pat Hutchinson as saying "Captain James Cook's First Fleet (1770), if that information is wrong is any of the rest right?

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"It appears, by your vast knowledge, vast breeding at your "research facility" called Tjukurpa, vast research that ONLY you have uncovered, and vast trips around the world, that you are sure they came from the German Tiger --- so therefore; you are saying they are German bred dogs, orginating in Germany and imported into Australia. Now, the newly "created" dogs that you created by breeding dogs that you say were "introduced blood", which in fact were dogs that were merle in color, that looked like they "could" be a Coolie, and were found at pounds/rescue/strays off the street, that you call Australian Koolies --- yes, those are Australian bred dogs. "

"What has this got to do with the discussion of the questionable information on the ancestors of the k/coolie arriving with the first fleet??? Why don't you ask this question of some of the other people posting here and elsewhere about k/coolies, you might be suprised with some of the answers revealed."