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Anonymous |
Your quote isn't quite right
Oct 27 2006, 1:55 AM EDT You say: "One such book by Author Angela Sanderson " Australian Dogs" out by Currawong press refers to the Australian Koolie then called the German Collie, what is of most importance in her book is her own reference to a much earlier German writer Von Stephantiz and his book "The German Shepherd in word and picture" released 1925 in which he writes "The Australian graziers were sufficiently impressed with German sheep dogs to import them", he then names the breed which were imported, as the German Tiger ( pronounced with a long"e" not a short "i") and describes them as long or short coated, prick eared type, of merle coloring similar to the type already found in Australia called the German Collie(The Koolie was still being referred to as a German Collie in 1925) this proves that German Tigers were imported to Australia, but it proves more importantly that the Koolie was established and recognised by its own breed name before actual recorded imported Tigers arrived". What the book really says, and it can be found on page 109, is: There was a diverse variety of other European brreds, and it is still possible to find descendants of some of these early working dogs. Among them is a type known as the German Collie, or by its colloquial name 'German Coolie' or 'Coulie'. She also quoted, "In von Stephanitz's book The German Shepherd in Word and Picture (1925), there is mention that Australian graziers were sufficiently impressed with German sheepdogs to import some. These dogs would almost certainly have been crossed with local dogs, among which could have been the Border Collie. von Stephanitz's classic work covered all manner of German sheepdogs. Among them were what he called the 'tiger-spotted sheepdog' that could be found in several provinces of Germany". At no time does he "names the breed which were imported, as the German Tiger ( pronounced with a long"e" not a short "i")" --- it's not there. If you're going to quote something, QUOTE it CORRECTLY! 38 out of 50 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Oct 27 2006, 1:30 PM EDT It sounds like someone just added in their own thoughts, so none of what is in the article about the Koolie is correct? It's all an assumption? That's kind of what I thought after reading the information that these are designer-dog breeders that got together and decided to try to make a breed out of cross-bred dogs. 8 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Oct 29 2006, 1:18 PM EST BUSTED!!!! LOL 6 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
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tjukurpa |
RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Oct 31 2006, 11:38 PM EST "You say: "One such book by Author Angela Sanderson " Australian Dogs" out by Currawong press refers to the Australian Koolie then called the German Collie, what is of most importance in her book is her own reference to a much earlier German writer Von Stephantiz and his book "The German Shepherd in word and picture" released 1925 in which he writes "The Australian graziers were sufficiently impressed with German sheep dogs to import them", he then names the breed which were imported, as the German Tiger ( pronounced with a long"e" not a short "i") and describes them as long or short coated, prick eared type, of merle coloring similar to the type already found in Australia called the German Collie(The Koolie was still being referred to as a German Collie in 1925) this proves that German Tigers were imported to Australia, but it proves more importantly that the Koolie was established and recognised by its own breed name before actual recorded imported Tigers arrived".Do you mean like Iris Coombe's quote about Captain Cooks first fleet. The one that is so proudly supported by the German Coolie page. The facts are that I never quoted, merely referred to the artical to demonstrate the plausibility of our theory. Fact :Von Stephanitz's does include German Tigers in his knowledge of German sheep breeds. Fact : There is a German Breed called the Tiger. Something you have only learned though reading information by the Koolie club of Australia and myself. Anyone is allowed to speculate and have an opinion, it is how most research is discovered, by following a theory. Your input hasn’t progressed the search at all. 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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tjukurpa |
RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Oct 31 2006, 11:41 PM EST "Do you mean like Iris Coombe's quote about Captain Cooks first fleet.It's sad when you can't contribute only try to disrupt. 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Nov 9 2006, 3:20 PM EST "Post what page in his book you got that information from, because many GSD breeders that I contacted are unable to find where he called the breed German Tiger. If you don't post it, then you are making it up. 6 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Nov 9 2006, 3:22 PM EST "It's sad when you can't contribute only try to disrupt."I did contribute alot more than you did, I contributed the correct quote, whereas you lied about it to make your club look like it knows something. 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Nov 12 2006, 5:44 AM EST "Post what page in his book you got that information from, because many GSD breeders that I contacted are unable to find where he called the breed German Tiger. If you don't post it, then you are making it up. "Still waiting for the page number(s) for verification. 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Nov 13 2006, 11:13 AM EST "Post what page in his book you got that information from, because many GSD breeders that I contacted are unable to find where he called the breed German Tiger. If you don't post it, then you are making it up. "I think you are going to wait forever for the page number, because it's not there. She made the entire thing up. 4 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Your quote isn't quite right
Mar 22 2007, 3:29 PM EDT " FACT: von Stephantiz, when referring to "Tiger" was referring to a color. I have the book and have read it several time. "Tiger" is a COLOR NOT a breed. It's a color like any other color, like black or brown or red. "Tiger" is NOT a breed. JJ Magee Silver Mine German Shepherd Dogs Helena, Montana 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
